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【Dev Diary 9.11】自由法国与维希法国

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镇楼图是自由法国的国策树


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1楼2019-09-11 18:07
    按惯例先放蠢驴自己的英文介绍
    Hello, and welcome back to the next DevDiary for the upcoming DLC! Today, we will talk a bit about how we are going to represent Vichy and Free France during the war.

    Vichy France is perhaps the best example for what I like to call “trying to fit a history-shaped peg through a mechanics-shaped hole”. They were a puppet state of Germany by any reasonable metric - except they never formally joined the war. They weren’t at war with the Allies - and yet there were several battles between Allied and Vichy forces in Syria, Madagascar and most famously Dakar and during Operation Torch. Even after the battles were fought, however, Vichy France did not join the war, and the Vichy French troops engaged there were usually repatriated by the Allies after operations were over.

    Currently, the division between Vichy France and Free France is handled by creating a civil war in France and Germany puppeting the fascist side. This automatically solves a number of issues that come with the sandbox nature of the game, such as dividing the military the player built instead of relying on pre-scripted OoBs, making sure both sides start with the same technology base and so on. It does, however, immediately put Vichy into war with Free France and (usually), by extension, the Allies.

    This is somewhat accurate in the sense that there were engagements between Allies and Vichy France and Vichy France lost territory in those engagements. But there was never a formal state of war between Vichy France and the Allies, and the total contribution of Vichy French forces to the war in Russia amounted to a single regiment of volunteers. In fact, in a lot of ways, the Allies preferred Vichy France to de Gaulle, despite de Gaulle’s winning personality and great people skills.

    To really do this situation justice, we decided to make special focus trees to handle it.

    My design goals were to have


    A way to separate France into a government-in-exile and a collaborating government in metropolitan France that did not require a gigantic ramshackle script system to handle all the edge cases


    A Vichy France that remains neutral in the war for at least some time


    A way for Vichy to become the “legitimate” France and even potentially join the Allies


    A way to have Free France gain territories that were assigned to Vichy France when the whole thing was created, without bringing them into the war

    Thankfully, we now have the ability to essentially run the civil war creation effect without actually creating a civil war. This does split the country, reassign the military, split the stockpiles, give both sides the right technologies and so on and so forth. This makes the whole process a lot less painful and reduces the number of edge cases, because as far as the game is concerned, Free France and Vichy France both qualify as France under the right conditions.


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      3楼2019-09-11 18:10
        Another small change is that if you manage to get war support above 70%, a third option appears in the event about deciding between asking for an armistice or creating the Franco-British Union, allowing you to continue the fight. If you decide to surrender, the country is split between Vichy France and Free France, much as you are used to. Most overseas territories will initially go to Vichy France, as was historical, with Free France holding onto a few scattered island possessions. Both countries load a separate focus tree.

        Free France has two main storylines to follow. On the one hand, you’ll want to recover territories that are held by Vichy. For the purpose of making things more manageable, the French colonial holdings are separated into a number of larger areas instead of being separated by modern national or period-appropriate administrative borders. These areas are: Syria, North Africa, West Africa, Central Africa, Madagascar, and Indochina.


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        4楼2019-09-11 18:11
          Appealing to them directly through the focus has a chance to flip a few of them to your side, but the rest will have to converted by more direct means. One option is to promise the territory independence after the war, which has a chance to convert the territories and reduces resistance/increases compliance in the affected areas for the duration of the war. However, once the war is over, these areas will demand that you honor your commitment and let them go. If you refuse, you will quickly find yourself with a rather upset population resisting your administration, like France did historically in Indochina.

          Option two is to intervene militarily, in areas that you have access too. This takes the form of the border wars, allowing you (or, more likely, your allies) to take over territories from Vichy France without going into a full-blown war. Not all areas can be taken over by border wars - Madagascar doesn’t border any other state from which an intervention could be launched, so you’ll have to find a different way.


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            6楼2019-09-11 18:12
              The other large branch for Free France is establishing and improving the resistance working in France. Through a number of focuses, you can boost resistance targets all across occupied France and turn the entire area into a hotbed of resistance - even if you do have to make some unlikely alliances between Communists and Industrialists.

              Once you have recovered the homeland and taken back Paris, you can form the Provisional Government, which reloads the original French focus tree. Should Vichy France still exist by this point without being at war with you, you get a decision to demand reunification.


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                来自Android客户端8楼2019-09-11 18:12
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                  来自Android客户端9楼2019-09-11 18:13


                    维希法国的国策树


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                    10楼2019-09-11 18:13
                      On the opposite side, the biggest change is that Vichy France is no longer considered to be a puppet of Germany. Puppets are heavily weighted towards joining their master’s faction and towards following a call to arms if in a faction. I briefly considered making a special puppet level that could refuse a call to arms and set a number of scripted AI strategies to make it do so, but decided that a one-off puppet level was easily as much of a hack solution than just not having Vichy be a puppet in the first place and handle its relationship with Germany through other ways.

                      As Vichy France, your big task is to complete the “National Revolution” to transform French society away from the republicanism that has brought them to this point. At the same time, you will want to rebuild the military and, of course, try to hold onto your colonial empire. In the moment of surrender, you are saddled with a massive 20% consumer goods penalty that represents the occupation costs levied on France by the Germans.


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                        12楼2019-09-11 18:13
                          To reduce these costs, you can strike a number of deals with the Germans, starting with giving them basing rights (historically done to help German support for an uprising in Iraq), later you can reduce your penalties further by offering to produce aircraft parts for the Germans (reducing production cost for German planes) and sending workers to Germany (giving them a production bonus).

                          Once you have finished the National Revolution, you can ask for Germany to return your occupied territories, and, should they agree, you join the Axis and reload the original focus tree with the branch towards the fascist alliance with Germany unlocked. If Germany refuses, you can then attempt to reconcile with the Free French, unify and re-join the war on the allied side if de Gaulle agrees (loading the original focus tree with the right-wing democratic branch unlocked), or you can decide to regain your honor by yourself and declare war directly, in which case you load the original focus tree with the branch towards the Latin Entente unlocked.

                          Of course, the Case Anton decision for Germany remains, so you might want to make very sure that you hold onto North Africa, lest Germany decides that you can’t be trusted.

                          That is all for today. Next week we will talk about some other changes coming in 1.8 Husky.


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                          13楼2019-09-11 18:14
                            维希法国可以曲线救国和自由法国合作了,法国不再受辱.jpg


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                            来自Android客户端14楼2019-09-11 18:20
                              估计就是做成就用的吧,玩家玩普通难度无加强还不至于被德国佬推下海。


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                              来自Android客户端15楼2019-09-11 18:21
                                维希不但被削,搞成猪队友还变成潜在叛徒
                                自由法国那个战时许诺殖民地战后独立终于和英国佬一样面临独立危机咯


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                                来自Android客户端16楼2019-09-11 18:26
                                  维希法国就是我所说的“trying to fit a history-shaped peg through a mechanics-shaped hole”的最好例子。不管从什么角度来衡量,他们都是德国的傀儡——除了他们从未正式参战以外。他们并没有和盟军开战,但盟军和维希部队在叙利亚、马达加斯加,达喀尔以及火炬行动期间发生了几次战斗。然而,维希法国自己并没有加入战争,参加作战的维希法国部队通常在行动结束后被盟军遣返回国。
                                  目前,维希法国和自由法国之间的分裂是制造一场内战来解决的。这能够解决游戏沙箱特性带来的一些问题,比如自动将玩家建立的军队分割开来,而不是依赖预先编写好的oob,确保双方拥有相同的科技基础等等。但是这会导致维希立即与同盟国开战


                                  这在某种程度上是对的,因为盟国和维希法国之间有过作战记录,维希法国在这些交战中失去了领土。但维希法国与盟军之间从来没有进入正式的战争状态,他们在对俄国的战争中的总贡献相当于一个志愿者团。事实上,在很多方面,盟国更喜欢维希法国而不是戴高乐,尽管戴高乐有着更好的的个性和高超的人际交往技巧。
                                  为了真正做到这一点,我们决定制作专门的国策树来处理。

                                  我们的设计目标是
                                  一种将法国分离为流亡政府和本土政府的方法,并且不需要庞大的摇摇欲坠的脚本系统来处理所有事件
                                  在战争中保持中立至少一段时间的维希法国
                                  维希成为“合法”法国,甚至有可能加入盟国的途径
                                  一种在不把它们拉进战争的情况下分配领土的方法。

                                  我们现在有能力在不真正发动内战的情况下做出了内战的效果。这确实制造了内战,重新分配了军队,分割了储备,给了双方正确的科技等等。就游戏中而言,自由法国和维希法国在一定条件下都有资格成为法国的正统代表。


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                                  17楼2019-09-11 18:29
                                    这还有共产线?


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                                    来自Android客户端18楼2019-09-11 18:30
                                      另一个小变化是,如果你设法获得70%以上的战争支持,在决定是要求停战还是建立法英联盟时,会出现第三种选择并允许你继续战斗。如果你决定投降,法国将分裂为为维希法国和自由法国。大多数海外领土最初都将像历史上一样归属于维希法国,而自由法国拥有一些分散的岛屿。两国都会有独立的国策树。
                                      自由法国有两条主线。一方面,你要收回维希控制的领土。为了使这些事情更易于实现,法国殖民地将被分割成许多更大的区域,而不是像现代国家或在当时适当的行政边界那样分割。这些地区是:叙利亚、北非、西非、中非、马达加斯加和印度支那。


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                                      19楼2019-09-11 18:34
                                        通过国策直接吸引他们有机会让他们中的一部分人直接倒向你,但剩下的你只能通过更直接的方式来让他们转变。一种选择是承诺在战后让他们独立,这有机会在战时转移领土并减少受影响地区的抵抗程度。但是,一旦战争结束,他们会要求你履行承诺并让他们独立。如果你拒绝,你会很快有越来越多的人在抵制你,就像在印度支那的历史一样。
                                        选择二是军事干预,在你可以进入的地区。采用了边界战争的形式,允许你(或者更可能是你的盟友)从维希法国在不进行入全面战争的情况下接管领土。并不是所有的地区都能被边境战争占领——马达加斯加没有与任何其他国家接壤,所以你必须找到其他的方式。


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                                        20楼2019-09-11 18:39
                                          自由法国的另一条分支是在法国本土建立和促进抵抗运动。通过一系列的国策,你可以扩大抵抗运动的目标并逐渐扩展到沦陷区全境——即使你必须在共产主义者和实业家之间建立一些不可思议的联盟。
                                          一旦你收回了本土并夺回了巴黎,你就可以组建临时政府,重新加载法国原本的国策树。如果维希法国在这时仍然存在而不与你交战,你就可以用决议要求统一


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                                          22楼2019-09-11 18:43
                                            蠢驴终于做出点有用的东西了


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                                            来自Android客户端23楼2019-09-11 18:46
                                              在另一边,最大的变化是维希法国不再是德国的傀儡。作为傀儡再加入宗主国的阵营和战争时具有很高的倾向。我们考虑过设计一个特殊的傀儡等级,它可以拒绝战争召唤,并设置了许多脚本化的AI策略来实现这一点。但我们认为与其设置这种一次性的傀儡等级,不如让维希法国一开始就不是傀儡,通过其他方法处理它和德国的关系。
                                              作为维希法国,你的主要任务是完成“国民革命”,使法国社会摆脱使他们变成现在这样的共和主义。同时,你希望重建军队,保住你的殖民地。在投降的那一刻,你会受到20%的消费品惩罚,代表着德国人对法国征收的占领费用。


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                                              24楼2019-09-11 18:49
                                                乳法终于有效了,下一步是不是开始乳苏了


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                                                来自Android客户端25楼2019-09-11 18:51
                                                  为了降低这个消费品惩罚,你可以和德国人达成一些交易,首先是给予他们建立据点(历史上通过这个帮助德国人支持伊拉克的baodong),接下来你可以通过给德国人生产飞机零件(减少德国人生产飞机的成本)和派遣工人到德国(给他们产能加成)来减少消费品debuff。
                                                  一旦你完成了国民革命,你就可以要求德国归还你的被占领土地,如果他们同意,你就加入轴心国,加载原来的国策树并且解锁和德国结盟的分支。如果德国拒绝,那么你可以尝试与自由法国和解,如果戴高乐同意了,你将会统一并加入盟军一方的战争(加载原来的国策树,解锁右翼mz的分支),或者你可以决定重新夺回你的荣誉,直接宣战(加载原始国策树,解锁拉丁协约的分支)
                                                  当然,安东行动的决议仍然存在,所以你必须控制住北非以免让德国人觉得你不可信
                                                  今天就这些。下周我们将讨论1.8的其他变化。


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                                                  26楼2019-09-11 18:57
                                                    有一个问题 安东行动维希任然存在只不过彻底沦为纳德的附庸而不是像游戏里一样直接吞并


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                                                    来自Android客户端27楼2019-09-11 19:00
                                                      20%消费品太少了,怎么也得是50%


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                                                      来自Android客户端29楼2019-09-11 19:21


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                                                        来自Android客户端30楼2019-09-11 19:23
                                                          怕不是要做成中国国策的那种形式。


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                                                          来自iPhone客户端32楼2019-09-11 19:36
                                                            两个法国 ,我喜欢


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                                                            来自Android客户端33楼2019-09-11 19:41