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【S39】EW合并集后对Jeff的采访搬运

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原文搬运和重点翻译。本帖涉及合并集内容的剧透,建议看剧后再点开


IP属地:四川1楼2019-11-14 18:35回复
    来源是ew.com上Dalton Ross的采访


    IP属地:四川2楼2019-11-14 18:37
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      ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: Okay, a lot to get into here. There are so many angles and things to get into with this whole Kellee and Dan situation. Let’s start on the production side. We saw Kellee say in an interview how uncomfortable she was with what she saw as Dan’s inappropriate touching, and in a Survivor rarity, heard one of your producers talking back to Kellee about it. We were later informed that the producers met with the players as a group and individually, and that Dan was issued a warning for his behavior. Take us through what was happening behind the scenes as you all discussed how to handle this situation, and then how those meetings with the players went.
      JEFF PROBST: Okay let’s start with the big picture. We monitor the players 24 hours a day for 39 days. There is never a moment when a producer is not with them. And the various producing teams on both beaches have daily downloads, so everybody is always aware what is happening with every player. Personally, I am constantly being updated on what is happening on the beaches. I receive updates on everything from minor injuries to rice rations to idol finds.
      After Kellee and Missy’s conversation about Dan, one of our co-EP’s interviewed Kellee. This is normal Survivor protocol. And, as you saw, in the interview Kellee got upset, so our producer stopped the interview to ask if Kellee wanted production to intervene. This is a very important moment because the producer is having to navigate a delicate balance of looking out for Kellee without taking any action that might negatively impact her game.
      To her credit, Kellee stated that she felt the issue could be handled by the players involved and did not want us to take any action on her behalf. And as you saw in her earlier conversation with Missy, both women were very clear that they were not going to let one person “blow up their game.” But based on Kellee’s interview, the producer immediately shared the story with me and I immediately contacted CBS. The decision was made to meet with all players, both as a group and individually, to remind them of personal boundaries and hear of any concerns.
      When we met privately with Dan, we told him that his actions were making some of the women uncomfortable and reminded him that personal boundaries must be respected at all times. We also informed him this was an official warning.


      IP属地:四川本楼含有高级字体3楼2019-11-14 18:38
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        所以Jeff这个我觉得本意一直是想洗自己团队,表示会时刻关注每个选手,但真的如此也不会到了采访Kellee,Kellee哭出来才来解决了,但怎么说呢,出来解决了也总比没解决好。另外某个吧友不要再洗了,剧组私下正式警告Dan,不要再说真有什么怎么没被驱逐,也不要再轻描淡写这是小事了。


        来自iPhone客户端4楼2019-11-14 18:56
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          ↑3楼是EW问Jeff,节目组是怎么发现和处理Kellee和Dan的事情的。Jeff的回答有以下要点:
          1.39天的比赛中选手是24小时被监控的,节目组的人随时都在选手身边。不同部落的工作人员会每天上传下载素材,所以节目组知道不同岛的每个选手的情况。包括谁受伤了、哪个部落米不够了、谁找到神像,大大小小的这些事全部都会有人向Jeff更新消息;
          2.Kellee和Missy分享经历的那场谈话之后,一个co-EP(共同执行制片人)采访了Kellee,这是节目标准流程。采访中Kellee表现得沮丧和生气,所以节目组打断了她的采访,询问她是否需要节目组介入。Jeff说节目组需要掌握一个平衡,既要帮助Kellee,又不能做出可能损坏她游戏的行动;
          3.值得赞赏的是,Kellee提出这个问题可以由相关的选手们内部调解,不希望节目组代表她采取行动。Missy和Kellee也都提到不想因为Dan一个人“毁了她们的游戏”。但是节目组还是立马联系了Jeff,然后Jeff立马联系了CBS;
          4.最后处理决定是和所有选手开会,包括集体会议和单独面谈,强调个人边界,询问他们感受。和Dan的单独面谈中,提到了他的行为让一些女生们感到不适,让他要时刻尊重个人界限,并说明了那是官方警告。


          IP属地:四川5楼2019-11-14 19:00
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            EW: We saw Missy and Elizabeth come up with a strategy to intentionally play up the angle of how uncomfortable Dan made them feel as a way to move the target off themselves, even though Elizabeth admitted to the camera that she had no problems with his actions. Was this crossing the line to tarnish Dan’s reputation as a strategic tool?
            Jeff: I don’t think you can address Elizabeth or Missy’s actions without first remembering that every player is making their decisions based on very limited information and through their own filters. No individual player ever knows all of the information, and that plays directly into this situation. Let’s first address this from the women’s point of view and then look at it from Dan’s.
            In the case of Missy, she was very clear when talking with Kellee that she was not going to let Dan “blow up her game” with $1 million on the line. And Missy was not privy to Kellee’s private confessional where she shared how upset she was about Dan. Then, to complicate things, Missy learns that Kellee is actually conspiring against her, to vote her out. This changes everything. Missy has a new archenemy, and voting out Kellee becomes the mission.
            Elizabeth has her own entry point into the story. As you saw in the episode, Elizabeth states that she wasn’t uncomfortable with Dan’s behavior. She hadn’t spent time with Kellee, so she didn’t have any insight into how Kellee was feeling. So, from her point of view, Elizabeth didn’t see any issue in going along with the Dan story. Perhaps if she understood the impact Dan was having on Kellee she might have made a very different choice.
            On the other side of this story is Dan. One on hand, it’s very clear that Dan’s touching was making some of the women uncomfortable, and we saw many of those moments on camera. There is no denying that it happened. But as Missy and Elizabeth embellished their stories about the situation, it put Dan in an unfair light and further complicated everything. Now the story has taken on a life of its own with several conflicting perspectives.
            By the time Janet becomes involved, she is making very big decisions based on a dangerous mixture of truthful and untruthful information. And because no individual player has all the information, rumors now hold as much weight as truth. This is a precise microcosm of what happens in the workplace. We must use this as an opportunity to examine ourselves and how we handle these types of situations.


            IP属地:四川6楼2019-11-14 19:02
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              那这样子,其实其他选手也是希望在节目组调节后骚扰事件能尽快过去不影响比赛进行,那除了Dan以外的其他橙组成员黑点还是能减少一些,毕竟大家都不想因为一个人来影响整季游戏。但Dan依旧一生黑


              IP属地:福建7楼2019-11-14 19:09
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                ↑6楼是EW问Jeff,Missy和Elizabeth以Dan的名声为工具来进行策略,是否违反游戏界限,Jeff回答说谈这之前要记得,所有选手知道的信息都是有限的,他们没法知道所有发生的事。然后从Missy、Elizabeth、Dan和Janet角度分别分析了他们的立场:
                1.Missy的态度是不想因为Dan“让自己的游戏崩盘”,而她也不知道Kellee在个人独白里对Dan这么生气。当她了解到Kellee在推自己,事情就变得复杂了。一切都变了,Missy现在最大的敌人就变成了Kellee,投走Kellee成为首要任务;
                2.Elizabeth的视角又完全不同,她的独白里可以看出,她对Dan的行为没有感到不舒服,她也没和Kellee在一起待过,不知道Kellee的想法。所以从她的角度,去用Dan的事进行策略社交没有什么大问题。如果她知道Dan对Kellee造成的影响,她的决定可能就完全不同了;
                3.而关于Dan,一方面来说,他摸人这点让很多女生不舒服,我们镜头也拍到了很多次,没有必要否认这些事发生过;而另一方面,Missy和Elizabeth在讲述她们的故事时进行了夸大,让Dan的情况显得很难看,并让事情变得更复杂。整件事变得不可控,所有人的视角和故事都不尽相同;
                4.等到Janet被卷入这件事的时候,她做决定的依据是一些真假参半的信息,没有选手知道所有信息,所以谣言和真相同时对事态造成影响。这正是日常工作环境中所发生的种种事的一个缩影,我们必须以此为戒来反省自己,思考如何处理这些情况。


                IP属地:四川9楼2019-11-14 19:28
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                  ↑10楼翻译:
                  EW:我们再来谈一下Janet,她说自己因为道德层面的原因,“出于必须要让这些女生感到安全的私人层面的、感性的理由”而改票投的Dan。当她发现,她听到的那些Missy、Elizabeth和Lauren的指控有一些是夸大甚至不实的时候,她是不是有理由感到生气?因为她说“我认为任何有关性骚扰的事,不能用来游戏策略”。你觉得她说的有道理吗,还是说这个游戏一切方法都可以?
                  Jeff:这正说明情况复杂,Janet和Dan的经历非常特殊,不像之前提到的女生,Janet好像完全没有因为Dan的行为感到过不适,但作为自荐当上的部落妈妈,Janet觉得自己有义务保护这些女孩。看到她因为听说女生抱怨Dan,就牺牲自己的游戏去保护其他女生,实在让人感到敬佩。
                  我觉得很多观众都会极大地同情Janet,因为她的确在做自己觉得正确的事情。当她事后发现那些谈话中,有些只是游戏策略,她的确有理由感到生气,一部分原因是她感觉自己被玩了,另一部分原因是她觉得自己不公正地评判了Dan.
                  然后话又说回来,需要记住,Dan的确让一些女生不适。这很复杂。这样的情形实在是对“正当伦理”这个概念的一次检验,这也是每一季幸存者的核心所在——每个选手心中的底线在哪里?什么可以说可以做,而什么是越界的?更重要的问题是:有没有一种行为是,不管怎样,只要发生就是越界的?


                  IP属地:四川11楼2019-11-14 19:52
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                    EW: We repeatedly saw Dan get irritated at Tribal Council that you would not just let the topic go and kept asking him about it. From your interactions with him and what you saw, do you feel he ever fully understood the weight of the situation when it came to Kelle and his role in making her feel her personal space was being violated?
                    Jeff: Dan was clearly frustrated with me for bringing the topic up at Tribal. My guess is that at the time he felt he had already talked with Kellee back on the beach during episode 1 and felt I was just trying to turn this into a bigger story. From my point of view, this was an obviously important story and one we had not yet talked about at Tribal Council. Tribal Council is where you are held accountable for your actions. Dan was the central figure in the story, so this was the appropriate forum for the discussion.
                    This situation also highlighted another layer of the changing dynamic between men and women: You don’t have to feel unsafe to feel uncomfortable and making someone uncomfortable is not okay. This is new territory for this important conversation, and my hope was that everybody could share their point of view, in an open forum, about what had gone down and we could get total clarity. But, as you saw, players were still very much in game mode and reluctant to talk. And worth noting, Dan survived another Tribal Council.


                    IP属地:四川12楼2019-11-14 19:54
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                      ↑12楼关于Dan为什么在TC想让Jeff放过这个话题,以及Dan到底知不知道自己对Kellee造成的影响。Jeff答非所问,就不翻译了,只提了Dan觉得ep1就和Kellee在沙滩上讲清楚了,不想Jeff大题小作。TC上其他选手也在比赛模式,想让这个话题尽快过去。


                      IP属地:四川13楼2019-11-14 20:21
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                        EW: I watched that second Tribal Council and kept thinking about how difficult it must have been for Kellee to sit there as a jury member and not have a voice in that conversation. One of the most interesting things in this episode that may get lost with everything else going on is the way Kellee was able to separate game and personal, as her initial target with all this going on was not Dan, but rather Missy. What is your takeaway from how Kellee handled this entire situation — which began very early on in the season when she told Dan how uncomfortable he was making her feel with his touching — and through her having to live through it all again as a member of the jury?
                        Jeff: I am incredibly proud of Kellee for being willing to speak up. In episode 1, she was very courageous in speaking her truth even though she knew it might mess up her game. And initially, I thought Kellee was very generous with Dan in trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. And, as you noted, despite being upset with Dan, she was clear enough in her thought process to not let Dan interfere with the bigger move that she felt was more important to her game — taking out Missy, her biggest adversary.
                        Kellee has all the qualities of a great Survivor player: She has a strong voice, the presence of mind to know when to use it, she’s a strategic thinker, and she walked into Tribal Council with not one, but two hidden immunity idols! Only a few people have ever had two idols at one Tribal. Yes, she was also voted out with two idols, but there is no denying Kellee is a very savvy Survivor player and hopefully someone that would consider playing again.
                        As for Kellee not having a voice while on the jury, we made the decision to hold true to the rule that jury members aren’t allowed to comment or ask questions. Our intention was to maintain the integrity of the million-dollar vote that the jury members make on day 39.


                        IP属地:四川14楼2019-11-14 20:25
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                          ↑ 14楼是EW问Jeff怎么看待Kellee全程的处理方法,Jeff的回答翻译如下:
                          Kellee愿意说出她的故事,我对她感到骄傲。在ep1的时候,她勇敢地讲出她真实的想法,即使她知道那可能会影响她的游戏。当时我就在想,Kellee非常慷慨大方,愿意相信Dan不是出于恶意。然后,你也看到,尽管对Dan很生气,她在阐述自己的游戏思路时,还是清楚地表示不想让Dan影响到自己的大动作,也是对她游戏来说更重要的事——投走她最大的竞争对手Missy.
                          Kellee拥有一个优秀的幸存者选手的所有优秀品质: 她敢于发声,也知道什么时候应该发声,她有策略头脑,而且走进TC时身上有两个神像!只有少数几个人在一场TC上手握两个神像。是,她也带着那两个神像被投走了,但不可否认的是她是一个聪慧过人的幸存者选手,希望她愿意回归。(划重点:官方钦定Kellee如果愿意,有回归席位。)
                          至于Kellee坐在jury席,看着TC上的事却不能参与讨论,我们的决定是保持jury不能评论和询问的规则,目的是保持第39天投出的jury票的正当性。


                          IP属地:四川16楼2019-11-14 20:42
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                            我觉得kellee坐在jury席不能说话大概真的是可以憋死的。
                            以及,我觉得她是怎么也没想到dean这么的无情,所以她带两个神像走没有那么不堪。
                            以及,她这种一看上去就很有策略性的选手,以及像什么aubry、Spencer、Kass、cirri等等等等就是回锅也是没可能走到最后的(除非是全明星或者血与水这种至少一半明星),现在的体力靶子和策略靶子都太难走到最后了,都是些不疼不痒的人走到最后,我们kellee这种好选手也就贡献一下游戏的观赏性,然后就被投走了。


                            IP属地:广东17楼2019-11-14 21:27
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                              感谢我6的辛苦搬运和翻译,真的从不同的几个角度分析了选手们从各自角度出发的分析。


                              IP属地:加拿大来自iPhone客户端18楼2019-11-14 22:00
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